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Post by Lucky 13 on May 7, 2009 0:21:39 GMT -6
I was recently asked this question by a fellow racer and really didn't know how to answer it. I thought I would share the question with everyone here and see what your thoughts/opinions are on it...
Can a car be entered/raced in more than one division as long as it meets the rules in both ? Example...Could a Pro-Modified be raced in Pro-Modified and Extreme Pro-Modified ? Or a Pure Stock raced in Pure Stock and Limited ? Or a Stocker raced in Stock and Pro-Stock ?
Lucky 13
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Post by fatdaddy on May 7, 2009 4:37:57 GMT -6
I would say yes, but under the condition that it only be eligible for points if it paid the registration fee for both classes.
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Post by Lucky 13 on May 8, 2009 19:00:17 GMT -6
I would say yes, but under the condition that it only be eligible for points if it paid the registration fee for both classes. I was thinking the same thing FatDaddy !! Anyone else out there care to jump in ? Please feel free to share your opinon ! Thanks, Lucky 13 |
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Post by jayjayrocketman on May 8, 2009 19:37:58 GMT -6
yes but what are the chances of being able to actually win all the divisions it has entered. typically it would be nice to race a convertible car. boy would our wives appreciate it all that time saved and able to to all the other honey do list. also ther is quite a few changes between classes that it really would not bennifit the person to race up in classes. but to answer the original question I think so as long as he/she paid to race all the fees like having multiple cars even if it is not. good question.. time is money.
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Post by Mr. Slick on May 8, 2009 20:35:58 GMT -6
ok, so the primary car number will be in black and the secondary car number would be in red. . . ;D
really, it sounds like a reasonable possibility. We do allow cars to change divisions. This is normally between monthly races but as long as the two divisions that the single car is entered into don't race as the same group, all should be fine with the world.
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Post by steepslope on May 10, 2009 11:58:51 GMT -6
Would there be an advantage for said car being warmed up for second entered division? Wouldn't it be the same as final tuning for the car against other cars straight from the box? It seems there might be an advantage in already having a car that has had 6 runs going against cars that have had none.  |
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Post by Mr. Slick on May 10, 2009 18:49:36 GMT -6
Good thought. . . It would be "warmed up" if we could race at "Pack Race Speed" where we do the heats every 30 seconds or so. Today's race would have lasted about 45 minutes instead of the almost 3 hours it took. With the delay between the divisions any thermal advantage would have dissipated. If you put the graphite on right before shipping there would be an advantage in the sense that there would have been 6 runs to help break in the graphite. |
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Post by ProQuest on May 10, 2009 19:55:32 GMT -6
Would there be an advantage for said car being warmed up for second entered division? Wouldn't it be the same as final tuning for the car against other cars straight from the box? It seems there might be an advantage in already having a car that has had 6 runs going against cars that have had none. That is a good thought. I'm not sure that running 12 heats without re-lubing is any advantage at all, and may in fact be a disadvantage. It seems to me that most builders have their cars shipped back to them after each race for the primary purpose of re-lubing. I'd be interested in hearing from more of the members on this. Regardless, one way to handle this to minimize or eliminate any possible advantage would be to run the more restrictive class first. For example, run Pure Stock before Limited. That way when the car runs in second class -- the division with the less restrictive rules (in this example the "Limited" class) -- any advantage the subject car might have gained by running six earlier heats would be offset by the advantage all the other cars have by being built to less restrictive rules. Another way to handle this would be to run the subject car in only 6 heats and then count the average time in both divisions entered. The other alternative would be not to allow a car to enter more than one class each race. Personally, I don't see running 12 consecutive heats without being allowed to re-lube as any advantage at all. But I think your point is well taken. Thoughts anyone? Steve H. |
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Post by DerbyDominator on May 11, 2009 10:47:26 GMT -6
In looking at the data from last year at WIRL, correct me if I am wrong Steve, but you left Alastor there from November or December of 2007 thru July with increasing times each month except from March to April (new track and some lube ruboff?). You relubed and sent it back until November. July was back to very low times and a gradual increase thru November. Just going on those results, there would be no advantage from a car running 6 heats and then to run 6 more heats so that small amount of data supports no advantage. The times would increase if anything over time. I would agree with the earlier post from Fatdaddy to let it run in whatever division it qualifies as long as the fee is paid for that division. The only option that Steve opens up that I would disagree with would be to run the 6 times and allow those numbers to be posted for all divisions. That would not take into account track condition changes however minimal or the aforementioned decrease in times from continued runs. Running the more restricted first seems like a pretty good remedy though. In looking at it from a big picture standpoint, its to everyone else's advantage if a car that qualifies for Pure Stock is entered in the Limited Division or Stock running in Pro Stock, etc. After all, the last thing I want to do is give Proquest an incentive to build a car faster than Mooberg.
Darryl
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Post by Mr. Slick on May 11, 2009 20:33:14 GMT -6
so are you saying that Proquest doesn't have faster cars already built then Mooberg just sitting in cryogenic storage for release once it gets beat? Maybe he wants 12 runs per month to see if the time shift is due to the number of runs or the elapsed time from the application of his secret lube material. . . . . |
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Post by DerbyDominator on May 12, 2009 9:38:13 GMT -6
Warren, When I saw his setup, I thought it was just a normal trash can but I did see the nuclear symbol on the side. He said it was just his kids playing around. I should have known. I bet he is using the new super cooled tungsten with the 25% increase in density  Now, everybody is going to want a cryogenic storage unit. Mooberg is going down!!! Steve must have found a way to deal with the cracking failures in the wood from the immediate proximity to the sub zero temperature tungsten. That is the real secret you know. I mean, practically everyone can super cool tungsten these days, but the trick is finding a way to incorporate it into a pinewood derby car without the brittleness issues. Lead is an excellent insulator. Lead wrapped super cooled tungsten cubes  Come to think of it, most of his cars are stained, not painted. There might be something about the stain that provides some unique insulation qualities as well Pretty clever of him I must add to use the stain on all of his cars in advance of using the super cooled tungsten just so we would not expect that to be part of the plan. Wow, the challenges faced by the 21st century pinewood derby enthusiast. They never saw this one coming. By the way, the aforementioned discount on the website will not pertain to the cryogenic storage units or the new "lead wrapped super cooled double densified tungsten cubes". After all, this news alone will send demand skyrocketing and you know what that will do to prices. Sorry! |
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Come to think of it, most of his cars are stained, not painted. There might be something about the stain that provides some unique insulation qualities as well