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Post by Lucky 13 on Dec 10, 2007 10:47:08 GMT -6
The 2008 rules are posted. Please direct any questions you may have about them to this post !! Thank you !!
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Post by ProQuest on Dec 10, 2007 20:40:16 GMT -6
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I know we have all been anxiously awaiting the official 2008 PWDRacing rules. A huge amount of time, energy and effort went into making this happen. The rules committee spent countless hours discussing, debating, exchanging posts, pms, ims, at all hours of the day and night, to create a set of clear, concise, fair and enforceable rules.
I personally want to thank Slick, Warthog, Barga, and Lucky for giving so generously of their time and talents. Lucky is deserving of special recognition for going above and beyond. He took a true leadership role in putting these rules together. He talked to you -- our racers, listened to what you want, polled the other rules committee members, spear-headed the discussions and did nearly all of the actual revisions. On top of all that, he is now is in charge of updating the photos of the monthly top three finishers in each division plus the record holders. The race was over last night and the winners were updated this morning. Pretty quick turn around if you ask me. Lucky, you rock!!!
Of course I would be remiss if I did not thank Scott and Warren. They are the heart and sole of this league, and I imagine I speak for many (if not all) of us when I say I appreciate you both for all you do.
I thought it might be helpful if I posted a summary of the new rules, so you can see at a glance the changes. So, here goes:
1. The Rookie Division has been changed to the "Novice" division, and is intended for inexperienced racers and those new to proxy racing.
2. All cars in the Hotrod66 Division must actually resemble a real hotrod.
3. All Novice and Limited Division entries must be made of Pinewood (not just wood). Cars in all other divisions need only be wood.
4. All wide wheels must have flat tread that is parallel to the wheel bore. Previously in stock and pro-stock the wheel tread could be reshaped with v-cut, H-cut, rounded, etc. That has been eliminated.
5. Wheels in all divisions except Pro-Mod, will have a maximum diameter of 31 mm and a minimum diameter of 27.5 mm. In Pro-Mod the wheels will have a maximum diameter of 31 mm with no minimum diameter. In effect, the Pro-Mods can run three real wheels and a whatever wheel and probably still pass inspection.
6. Bushings and inserts are allowed in all divisions except Novice and Limited. Bearings continue to be outlawed in all divisions.
7. Now for the one you all have been waiting for -- In all divisions except the two "Pro" divisions, each wheel must be mounted on an axle, on the outside of the car, in the vertical position. Each wheel must be attached directly to the car by an axle and spin freely. No part of the wheel may overlap the center guide by more than 1/8 inch. The effect of this rule is that the wheels must be in the locations where wheels are supposed to be. You can use a shorter wheelbase than the maximum allowed (Like Warthog's Candy Cane) but you can't stick a wheel on top of the car or underneath and call it a wheel.
Those are all the big one I think. Hope Lucky or someone else will correct or add if I've missed anything major.
It has been an awesome first year of racing here. I've had a blast, learned a ton about pinewood derby racing, and made friends. Just try to beat that. I'm looking forward to an equally cool 2008. I'd better get cracking on the building though -- haven't started any new cars yet. See ya next year.
ProQuest/Steve H.
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Post by Parrot Racing on Dec 10, 2007 20:59:48 GMT -6
So there is no class for long wheelbase and regulation bsa wheels?
Also, if all four wheels have to be in the vertical position, does this mean sidewall must be at a 90 degree angle (perpendicular) to track?
Enrico-Parrot Racing
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Post by Lucky 13 on Dec 10, 2007 21:25:15 GMT -6
So there is no class for long wheelbase and regulation bsa wheels? Also, if all four wheels have to be in the vertical position, does this mean sidewall must be at a 90 degree angle (perpendicular) to track? Enrico-Parrot Racing You can run BSA wheels AND extended wheelbase in any division other than Limited which doesn't allow extended wheelbase but requires BSA wheels The purpose of the wheel rule is to eliminate 3 wheeled cars with the 4th wheel mounted underneath or on top of the car, not to require the builders to place their cars wheels perfectly flat on the track or to stop builders from canting their cars axles.
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Post by ProQuest on Dec 10, 2007 22:43:54 GMT -6
Enrico:
The summary was mainly to point out changes -- it was not intended to be a comprehensive recitation of the rules. You should take a close look at the official rules of each division in which you intend to run.
The wheelbase rules did not change in any class.
Nor did the requirement that BSA wheels be used in the Limited class.
The rule that requires wheels in the vertical position will NOT be narrowly interpreted to require that the wheel sidewall be 90 degrees to the track -- like Lucky said, canting is legal in all classes.
Hope this helps.
ProQuest/Steve H.
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Post by Parrot Racing on Dec 10, 2007 23:29:22 GMT -6
Thanks guys, just want to keep up with the changes. I have been switching wheelbases, wheels and axles on my cars to be able to run at pwd and wirl.
Enrico-Parrot Racing
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Post by Lucky 13 on Dec 11, 2007 0:48:04 GMT -6
Thanks guys, just want to keep up with the changes. I have been switching wheelbases, wheels and axles on my cars to be able to run at pwd and wirl. Enrico-Parrot Racing No problem Enrico, we'd rather have people ask questions than come race day and have them find out their car is illegal !! If there is anything else we can help you with please don't hesitate to ask !! Lucky 13
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Post by Da Pine Racing on Dec 11, 2007 9:50:38 GMT -6
Thanks Bob & Steve for the hard work & posting the major changes in one spot.
Change #2 in Steve's post. All cars in HR66 must actually resemble a real Hot Rod. Is there an example of a past or present car that motivated this change? Is just making sure there is a 1" X 1" flat area 1 3/4" tall, no matter what the car looks like, not enough to pass tech? Just a little unclear on this one. My new HR66 "Time Fighter" looks nothing like a "real hot rod". When I made it, I was remembering the shape of some of the old soap box derby cars.
Thanks for any clarification
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Post by Mr. Slick on Dec 11, 2007 10:16:24 GMT -6
The need is for the HR66 Cars to look like old time hot-rods and to avoid having two flat slabs - one for the base and then a small piece elevated for the height requirement.
There needs to be complete/full wood the entire height of the car for the elevated area.
Having actual windows in the car's cab with a roof supported by just the pillars would NOT be allowed.
Once again this is a division with a high amount of "Spirit of Design" involved and not necessarily the fastest car design division. This division is intended to be fun by having some really great designs.
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Post by Lucky 13 on Dec 11, 2007 16:54:24 GMT -6
The need is for the HR66 Cars to look like old time hot-rods and to avoid having two flat slabs - one for the base and then a small piece elevated for the height requirement. There needs to be complete/full wood the entire height of the car for the elevated area. Having actual windows in the car's cab with a roof supported by just the pillars would NOT be allowed. Once again this is a division with a high amount of "Spirit of Design" involved and not necessarily the fastest car design division. This division is intended to be fun by having some really great designs. What about the car Go Bubba Go raced at Lima ? It's a great example of what a Hot Rod 66 car should be (IMO) !! Lucky 13
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Post by ProQuest on Dec 11, 2007 17:31:23 GMT -6
Dwayne:
That's a great question. I'll have to defer to guys like Warren and Bob, who know what an actual hotrod looks like. Sorry, I can't be of more help on this one.
ProQuest/Steve H.
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Post by Bubba on Dec 11, 2007 18:04:06 GMT -6
The need is for the HR66 Cars to look like old time hot-rods and to avoid having two flat slabs - one for the base and then a small piece elevated for the height requirement. There needs to be complete/full wood the entire height of the car for the elevated area. Having actual windows in the car's cab with a roof supported by just the pillars would NOT be allowed. Once again this is a division with a high amount of "Spirit of Design" involved and not necessarily the fastest car design division. This division is intended to be fun by having some really great designs. What about the car Go Bubba Go raced at Lima ? It's a great example of what a Hot Rod 66 car should be (IMO) !! Lucky 13 Might I suggest that rather than a solid wood requirement you have a requirement that the raised area be fully enclosed, so that if one wishes to keep the realistic window look (rather than black tape "window" look), one could do so by using some clear plastic material to cover the window openings? I thought about doing this for Green T but just ran out of time. The "enclosure" requirement would greatly reduce the benefit to the plank, post and mini-plank structure design that you seem to be trying to avoid. Disclosure time - I have been thinking about building the sort of design you are talking about (a very low rear engine dragster with post supporting a 1x1 "wing"). It's not the first design that comes to mind when you think "Hot Rod", but with the rules as previously written the pull towards plank, post and "wing" is pretty strong. Bubba p.s. Thanks, Bob. Green T has been one of our favorite builds to date, until we started on the F.R.E.D. Old School builds, that is...
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Post by Lucky 13 on Dec 12, 2007 16:04:50 GMT -6
There has been an update on the wheelbase rule in the Limited Division. Please take time to read it.
Thank you, Lucky 13
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Post by docb on Dec 12, 2007 16:55:10 GMT -6
Where can we find the update?
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Post by Lucky 13 on Dec 12, 2007 17:20:18 GMT -6
Where can we find the update? Hey DocB, You can find it in the Limited Division section under "2008 Limited Division Rules". If you have any questions on it please feel free to post them !! The wheelbase rule now reads: G. Wheelbase –All cars in the limited class must have a wheel base of no more than 4 1/2" and no less than 4 3/8", with the two rear wheels being positioned directly across the body from one another and the two front wheels being positioned directly across the body from one another.
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