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Post by ohiofitter on Jan 21, 2008 21:31:29 GMT -6
First off.. I don't want to sound like a sore loser....I had two boys doing the pwd this year oldest son webelo two.youngest son a tiger..I'm not going to lie.I would have loved to seen them Fight for it all..The problem that I have is explain to my youngest about communitive time. Our cars came in fifth overall as a tiger. Ran high 2.6's The boys who won all ran lo 2.6's But he never raced any of the cars that won 1,2,3.. In any of his heats. They change the format to this last year after parents complained. I'm just wanting to know what do most people like better a elimination type race or a communitive time race. We tried to make sure the boy's car were as equal as possible which they were..Both boy's ran high 2.6's So it was fun but disappointing at the same time.
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Post by Lucky 13 on Jan 21, 2008 22:15:37 GMT -6
Elimination style races are more of a "luck of the draw" deal and the best cars do not always place !! The fairest races are timed races, just like the leagues do. This assures the fastest cars win. Our pack is in the process of purchasing a new track and timer to get away from the "points" system we are currently using. What throws parents off is that they see their sons car win every heat and he doesn't place at the end of the race because he didn't have the fastest car, he just (through luck) drew slower cars than his !! This is sure to be something our pack will experience when the new set up is implemented !! I know this is cliche' sounding, but, as long as you and your boys had a good time and made good memories, then you all won !!
Lucky 13
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Post by docb on Jan 22, 2008 6:57:08 GMT -6
The average of the timed races is the way to go.
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Post by Parrot Racing on Jan 22, 2008 9:29:45 GMT -6
Just finished running my first derby on an old wooden track. Last year we used the points system, this year we used best average time after six heats, one in each lane, with worst time thrown out. In my opinion, this is the fairest way to judge who has the fastest car. If you are using the points scoring, in theory, you would have to race against every single car in the field and in every lane combination, not sure how long that would take with 40 cars. Bob, everything went smooth, thanks for your offer of help.
Parrot Racing
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Post by slkrnsntracing on Jan 22, 2008 13:43:40 GMT -6
The timed races are the only way to go if you have timing equipment.
I have heard the argument too where a parent says. "How do I tell my child that he didn't win, when he finished first in all his races."
If the truth was known, the parent was probably more upset than his child.
Phil
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Post by ohiofitter on Jan 22, 2008 22:14:29 GMT -6
To tell you the truth Phil..I wasn't upset. My boy wasn't upset. We put in the car what he wanted. his design.his choice of paint..I did polish the axles and explained to him where to put the weight. So we did have fun.. He just thought because he did win all three of his heats he was going to get a trophy.. Dad know he wasn't
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Post by Mr. Slick on Jan 23, 2008 11:05:37 GMT -6
That is why I have added a "Remote Time Display" that shows the time in addition to the finishing place for each car for each heat.
The pre-race explanation that the races are "against the clock" in addition to against the other cars on the track at the same time seems to help.
I also print out the "Individual Car Statistics" after the race so every car gets a list of the times it ran for the races. This allows for boys to compare with their friends
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Post by Mr. Slick on Jan 23, 2008 13:48:33 GMT -6
It is a hardware device from www.MicroWizard.com that uses the serial data from the timer to display the place and time for each lane. It just uses a simple "Y" connector for the transmit line between the timer and the computer. It is actually quite nice to have for the people who are "number" crazed.
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